they talk about the two-minute active ad where he references 100,000 new math and science teachers as well as additional manufacturing jobs in this country. they point out during his second term, how do you break the fever or the part zan fever in washington. many democrats dismiss saying mitch mcconnell and others said they would never work with in it president from the day of inauguration. how does he put people back to work and at those jobs that he pointed out in that ad? >> i think he has to lay out exactly what he believes needs to happen in order for these jobs to be created. the one thing about debates -- >> what does he say, then? >> i think he needs to say specifically what type of policies he can push through congress. >> what would those policies be? you're an inside man and know a lot what's going on that the average voter do not. what are the policies? >> the job bills he's proposed and infrastructure spending he's proposed, additional educational spends that he's proposed held up in congress. now the challenge here is the moderator will push both candidates. jim lair is